--- title: "Project Hail Mary, Dead Civilizations, and the Trouble with Feel-Good Endings" podcast: "Modem Futura" episode: "Episode 85" hosts: "Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard" date: 2026-05-26 audio: https://cdn.simplecast.com/media/audio/transcoded/fca32cee-ef4c-4b50-82e5-4c768318a8c1/018f87c3-4d42-4bc0-9d66-53873b51ec68/episodes/audio/group/49bbb970-d54d-441e-b10f-37798ebfff4e/group-item/12e1b7c6-969e-436b-b82f-9ae027f08fb8/128_default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=3frRI0HN mirror: https://text.futureofbeinghuman.com/modemfutura/85-project-hail-mary-dead-civilizations-and-the-trouble-with-fe.html --- # Project Hail Mary, Dead Civilizations, and the Trouble with Feel-Good Endings Modem Futura · Episode 85 · May 26, 2026 · 41 min · Hosts: Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard Listen: [MP3 audio](https://cdn.simplecast.com/media/audio/transcoded/fca32cee-ef4c-4b50-82e5-4c768318a8c1/018f87c3-4d42-4bc0-9d66-53873b51ec68/episodes/audio/group/49bbb970-d54d-441e-b10f-37798ebfff4e/group-item/12e1b7c6-969e-436b-b82f-9ae027f08fb8/128_default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=3frRI0HN) · [Apple Podcasts](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/project-hail-mary-dead-civilizations-and-the-trouble/id1771688480?i=1000769606113&uo=4) · [Spotify (show)](https://open.spotify.com/show/3eFl4hY4t1qTCWE2Bxotrg) · [YouTube (video)](https://www.youtube.com/@ModemFutura) --- A timed episode (they gave themselves 35 minutes — barely made it) becomes an excuse for two arguments stitched together. First, Sean and Andrew finally have it out over Andy Weir's \*Project Hail Mary\*: Sean loved both the novel and the film; Andrew, while admitting it's an enjoyable piece of moviemaking, can't get past what he calls the sugar-coated solutionism baked into its core — a story that presents extreme utilitarian sacrifice as morally settled rather than morally contested. The conversation widens out from there: when adversity becomes a turning point in one survivor's story, what happens to the ninety-nine who didn't make it? When a film blends real science and invented science, who gets to tell the audience which is which? Then the timer pushes them into the return of Futures Improv, where Sean reads AI-generated speculative scenarios to Andrew cold. Two land. In "The Fermi Paradox Answered Badly," they imagine a sky full of automated distress signals from dead civilizations — and arrive at a chilling possibility: maybe the beacon \*is\* the extinction event, a galactic mind virus that collapses societies through the act of warning them. In "The Heptapod Update," a Ted Chiang–inspired scenario about a neural implant that installs a time-rewiring language sends them into the contested territory of consciousness, psychedelics, and whether language can change reality or only our perception of it. By the end, two threads converge: every scenario this week was really about the same question — what we do, or fail to do, when we receive a signal we can't unhear. -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - [https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu](https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu/)Subscribe to our [YouTube Channel: @ModemFutura](https://www.youtube.com/@ModemFutura)Follow us on Instagram: [@ModemFutura](https://www.instagram.com/modemfutura/)**Host Bios:****Sean M. Leahy, PhD** - [ASU Bio](https://search.asu.edu/profile/3183014)\ Sean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the [Future of Being Human Initiative](https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu/) and Research Scientist for the [School for the Future of Innovation in Society](https://sfis.asu.edu/) and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the [Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory](https://globalfutures.asu.edu/) at [Arizona State University](http://www.asu.edu/).**Andrew Maynard, PhD** - [ASU Bio](https://search.asu.edu/profile/2670673)\ Andrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU [School for the Future of Innovation in Society](https://sfis.asu.edu/). He is the founder of the ASU [Future of Being Human initiative](https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu/), Director of the ASU [Risk Innovation Nexus](https://riskinnovation.org/), and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU [College of Global Futures](https://collegeofglobalfutures.asu.edu/).----- --- *These are the show notes for this episode of Modem Futura (), a podcast hosted by Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard and part of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative (). This file is a text mirror of the episode’s show notes — not a transcript. Listen to the full episode via the links above, or watch it on YouTube ().*